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我不會等Durowe的。 從前幾年放出來的消息看，Durowe就是ETA 6498，在幾個大齒輪上做個打磨特效。記得以前看過放出的效果圖還有爆料是這個樣子的。 德國佬憋了這么多年還沒憋出來，三大難點估計是：這么搞有多少人買賬？這么搞了賣多少錢合適？不這么搞，還能搞出別的花樣來嗎？

我就觀望觀望。也沒有給他太多期望。

爾……石頭娃這么差么？？最近還打算入手頂級藍鋼螺絲的飛行員呢…… 看到你這說法……心里在打轉了。

[i=s] 本帖最后由 Gerrard8 于 2016-5-29 00:25 編輯 [/i] 我不是為了黑它而黑它，我也是既吃過豬肉，也見過豬跑。有事實、有依據。對于這個價位的表、德國表、飛行員表還是認真關注過，有一些淺薄的認識。 你如果是對飛行員表及其著迷，不妨考慮萬國的Mark17或者18系列，Mark17現在折扣很大，也就2萬的樣子。全球經濟不景氣，瑞士表出口量從去年下降很厲害。Mark18本來報價就低，再加上折扣已經逐漸親民了。這兩款Mark，一個也就是兩個stova的價格。但帶來的體驗是完全不一樣的，恐怕就算是stowa的鐵桿粉絲也不得不承認。而且Mark系列既可以正裝、也可以休閑運動，這是山寨設計沒法比的。 如果只是覺得飛行員表的樣子有點意思，真的可以考慮國產表，甚至fang表。國外有專門的fang表論壇，一堆老外迷得不行不行的。 stowa在這兩年多次漲價以后，已經很尷尬。 關鍵這是個徹頭徹尾的組裝貨，殼子、玻璃本來就是中國的（或者通過香港中間商，stowa自己最明白）。即使入它的飛行員，也沒必要top機芯，因為調校實在太一般（國外論壇有帖子討論過德國鬼子是不是用學徒工裝表，人工費省大了。其實按照德國的學徒制度沒啥奇怪的，關鍵是有沒有用心做表）。個人覺得精度跑到天文臺標準以外，已經失去了top機芯的意義。本來top機芯的出廠價也就貴300-500人民幣。很多用心的表廠都能把入門級的2824調到4s內。 另外即使5000-10000這個價位，選擇真的很多。Hamilton的一款ETA 2804手動款的軍表還不到400美元（原價也才695美刀，還是鋼鏈吆，見下圖），ETA2824自動款也就600美刀左右。而stowa的手動款居然比自動款還貴，真是醉了。 瑞士表里還有Fortis新出的飛行員，表盤真的很漂亮，還有Alpina，Bell&Ross。。。 由于某些原因，一說德國表，在國內往往是Nomos和stowa。Nomos有在格拉蘇蒂的工廠、自產機芯、有在柏林的設計師團隊，還真是值得吹捧。至于stowa就呵呵了。 其實德國好表真的很多很多。貴的不說，在飛行員表里，有大家熟知的Sinn、Damakso、Archimede、Tourby，他們都是德國殼。如果給不了德國芯，對我來說有個德國殼也不愧對德國表的稱號。有軍表傳統的還有Laco（復刻二戰飛行員最到位的），Hanhart，Tutima（現在還是北約的供貨商）。

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表殼中國造很正常，精工小MM我打開一看也是標著china case、

海鷗表還是不錯的 我買了一個雖然修過一次，但是在那之后一直很穩定，我自己調了之后，現在每天誤差2秒，很穩定

學習的哦

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如果stowa舍得花50歐以上在中國買表殼，我顯然不介意。 如果德國鬼子只舍得花20歐（大批量價格更便宜），那就是廣東表Parnis這個檔次的殼，不管怎么標榜、扯淡手工打磨，都有點拿我們表友當傻瓜的意思。:a38 入手了另外一款德國飛行員以后，我更覺得stowa飛行員的表殼是糊弄大家的。設計上先不說，做工上stowa側面的拉絲顯然不夠精細。更糙的的是表耳正面的拉絲，stowa是圓環形拉絲處理，也就是說四個表耳可以一次完工，而我的另一塊飛行員是小豎紋拉絲，看上去舒服很多、有質感很多。 wus有一篇對stowa表殼很偏僻入里的專家級分析，簡單翻譯就是：來源不明不白，編故事誤導大家。從表殼后側可以看出這個表殼就是瞎搞、偷工減料。 鏈接： [url]http://forums.watchuseek.com/f8/archimede-pilot-42h-case-finish-1711914.html[/url] 原文： Yes, the Stowa costs more, nevertheless, I don't consider the case nearly as good as the Ickler made case from the Archimede. Important factors I base my point of view on, are the construction, the effort and craftsmanship dedicated to build it/where it was produced. All these factors taken into account, the Archimede wins by far. Stowa is not giving Information to the customers in which country the case is made, sorry but that's like not saying where the movement was produced. Not giving an answer, is indeed a very clear answer and it means - not made in Germany look farther east . Stowa is a company which is marketing their watches with a more or less misleading story as original B-Uhr producer, they are constanly refering to the Made in Germany lable (as you often can see on Stowa dials) but will not tell openly where one of the most important parts of the watch is produced. I guess cases of comparable quality produced in germany for example are 3 to 5 times more expensive than such made in china or lithuania. So, if they want, they should outsource, but as a customer I want it to know and I will not pay the same price of they are doing it. Stowa knows that a lot of potential clients see it my way too. That's why they don't want to give any information about the origin of the cases. For them everything is better than people discussing (i.e. if Stowa would tell that cases origin is Far East) , whether a german made watch with a case of fareast descent is worth 800+ Euros. For me that's a criteria I take into account, for others it's not - I think both positions are legit. The construction of the Archimede case I consider better as it's more laborious. They got the case to a hight of just under 10mm and they did it using central winding, what should be more difficult to do. Stowa is just a little higher, but using a caseback with six srews- so less elaborated. Easier to get a low case this way, and that's the point for Stowa, cheaper. If you compare the casebacks, I find the Stowas' adapts much worse to the case. The case of the Stowa basically is "chopped" just below the lugs and then a flat caseback is attached, less milling than on the Archimede which results in lower cost. The Problem is, one sees that it's cheaper. Compare the standard caseback to the Stowa FOLE, I can't imagine many people voting the standard nicer. Stowa sells a bug as a feature with the screws caseback and they know it, of course telling the customer the screws are a special thing. If they didn't prefer a central winding themselves, they hadn't built it in the Flieger Original Limited Edition - which in fact I see as a desireable watch. The Ickler case just has more craftsmanship in it. Stowa saves money on their watches in a smart way, I'll give them that - and since the financial crisis they got in trouble, so I can understand them doing it. But in the end the Ickler case is the superior case in terms of construction and craftsmanship spent to produce it. That's just the way I see it.

同有一款海鷗，用的1812機芯，拿到手每天快9秒，但很穩定。 我手賤，自己開蓋撥了下快慢針，每天快1-2 秒。

好文好帖！不得不頂！謝謝樓主！

表殼中國，機芯瑞士，所謂德國造就是加一個彈力都不夠的 “土鵝”？

犀利的文字，寫得很好，支持

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